Wednesday, January 30, 2008

What Makes A Good Doctor?

It was almost 6 years ago that I first became alarmed enough to talk to my son's then pediatrician about his continued infections, and what I considered the long list of strange symptoms he always seemed to have, I sat down and made a list of what I considered to be all of his symptoms and then I tracked his health for 10 days.


The two lists mirrored each other.

His stools had never been firm, and were still like breast milk stools at nearly 2 years old, and they frequently had large amounts of undigested food, additionally, the transit time seemed unusually fast (think: he ate an apple and within 2 hours chunks of apple were in his diaper) he had low grade fevers every day, he was living on Motrin and Tylenol, he seemed to be in pain all the time, he was alternately very lethargic, and very hyper. He had a red target around his anus, and had since the day he started solids. He cried in pain nearly every night and seemed to have constant tummy aches, when he talked, he screamed, he seemed unusually pale, and bruised significantly more than what I thought was normal. In my mind all of these things added up to...something.

I was about 5 months pregnant at the time, and felt the need to figure out what was wrong before the new baby came, so I took the list to his then pediatrician, whom I had chosen because he had been my doctor as a child. I told him my "mommy instinct" said something was wrong, that he seemed to be sick all the time, and I gave him the list of symptoms.


Not only did he dismiss my concerns as being those of an over reacting first time mother, but he suggested my parenting skills needed help, and that I should immediately seek counseling. In fact, I believe his exact words, which I still remember, almost 6 years later were "You don't know how to deal with your hyperactive son, and you need to get counseling, before this new baby is born." I felt stupid, and dismissed and slightly crazy. Somehow I gathered the strength to ask for my sons medical records and tell him I'd find a new doctor. What I found was a doctor who has become our medical home base, the doctor I trust beyond anyone else, and the place where I feel like we are all safe.

The combination of his GI symptoms, his chronic sinusitis (confirmed by a CT scan, he had pan sinusitis - no wonder he was always in pain), the low grade fevers... all lead his second pediatrician to send us to specialist after specialist, and when his sister was diagnosed immune deficient, all the pieces suddenly made a clear picture. 13 months later, my son was diagnosed as immune deficient by a world renowned expert in pediatric immunology.
(C. at 4, with his pediatrician)

I spent some time being angry with the first pediatrician and then for awhile, I thought that the first pediatrician did not have the benefit of knowing that our second child was immune deficient to connect all the dots, so there was no way he could have made that leap.


After navigating the medical system for the past five years, I know better. He was either a good doctor I caught on a bad day, or he was just a bad doctor. You see over time, as we've added more and more specialists to our team...pediatric infectious disease, GI, ENT, dermatology, rheumatology, and immunology... I've learned what kind of doctor I want on our team.


We don't care if the doctor we see knows the most, I want the doctor willing to learn or investigate the most

We don't care if the doctor we see has the nicest office, we want the doctor who is nicest while in his office, not just to his patients, to his staff as well.


We don't need a doctor who can talk with authority on everything he knows, we want a doctor who knows what he doesn't know.


We don't need the doctor who can solve everything, we need the doctor who can find someone who can, when help is needed.


We don't need the doctor who will do all the talking, we need a doctor who can listen.


We don't need a doctor who always agrees, but we need a doctor whose opinion I can respect when they do disagree.

I've learned that my job as the parent of a chronically ill child is not just to be concerned with physical health, but I need to keep their psychological well being in mind too, and at the same time, I need to help them learn to navigate the medical system as well.
When I go to the doctor with my kids, my concern is not just the immediate infection or issue, it's long term, it's what effect will this have long term on my kids mental and physical health, and how can I help empower my kids in a medical scenario. They need to learn now to speak for themselves, because someday, that will be their job, and if I don't equip them now, they will not be able to handle that job if it's suddenly thrust upon them in their teen years.
Two years ago we were in our hospital with our then 3 1/2 year old daughter, getting a picc line, and sinus culture for an icky sinus infection that wouldn't go away after 7 rounds of antibiotics, it was supposed to be a three day stay. An event that occurred stands out in my mind as being the moment I realized that my kids had to also know what makes a good doctor, and learn to navigate the medical system.(K in the hospital for the sinus infection/picc line fiasco)

My daughter was so medically compliant and verbal, they asked to have their entire medical school class come by to observe her being examined. They split the group into three groups and the first two went off without a hitch.


The third group entered and it was a new doctor leading the group. This one was different than that last one that had led the first two groups. First, he was patronizing her. He was talking in "baby" talk to a chronically ill 3 year old who had likely been through more medical procedures than he had ever been in his life. Second, he was disrespectful to me. He didn't offer a hand shake, or even greet me for that matter. Third, he didn't wash his hands. Also known as the cardinal sin.


As he approached my daughter with his scope already at his eye, he asked her in baby talk "Can I look at you" he added in her formal name, something she is NEVER called unless she is in trouble, something that is noted in her chart, under name called, the nickname is right there.


My medically compliant three year old looked right at him and said "No"


"No?" He asked seemingly shocked, I'm guessing the first doctor had told him how compliant she was.

"NO." She responded

"Why not?" He asked her, the first thing he had done right since walking in the room. He turned to his students as if to show them he was in control of the situation.

"Because you didn't wash your hands" she said handing him antibacterial gel as his entire class laughed"Here, it smells like blueberries" she said with a smirk.

I've never been more proud in my entire life.

Not because she was sassy, which, she was.

Not because, she made him wash his hands, which he did.

I was proud because she took control and made sure he knew she was the boss of her body, and as a chronically ill child she deserved respect. I'm sure every student in that room will carry that lesson with them for the rest of their career. The day the 3 year old outsmarted the chief resident.

I guess that's what it really comes down to, I don't care how busy the doctor is, how great they are in their field, or how how much they know, when they walk in the room, they need to check their day, their ego and their agenda at the door and take a minute to get to know their patient, and give them an ounce of respect before even attempting an exam.



( C. with his pediatrician this year talking to him about his symptoms, and discussing health concerns)


Anyone else out there? What do you want in a doctor? How have you handled a bad one? How do you appreciate the good ones?

19 voices to be heard:

Wonderful World of Weiners said...

I want YOUR doctor!!

He sounds fantastic!

I've never had a horrendous doc experience but one still sticks out 18 years later.

CJ was incredibly ill at birth - they did not expect him to live on several different occasions.

I gave birth to CJ BEFORE marriage (oh, the horror) so CJ and I had different last names.

One doctor, a specialist no less, walked into our exam room. We were there after a particularly bad week of buckets of bright red bloody vomit. CJ needed to be hospitalized again and we needed to move quickly.

My mom was there to help out (CJ was very very sick and she wanted to be there to assist John and I) but it was me that the doctor needed to address.

Yes, I was only 19 and looked about 15 but I was the mom and expected to be spoken to.

She REFUSED to address me after discovering that John and I were young UNMARRIED parents. She would only speak to my mom.

Thankfully, my mom redirected her and insisted that she speak to CJ's parents (I was so distraught with his health issues that at that time, I wasn't able to advocate for myself) The doc did eventually talk to me but it was obvious that she wasnt happy about it.

Her rudeness has always stuck with me. Many women are YOUNG, are UNMARRIED, yet are GOOD moms. I hate to think of her treating the entire population of youthful, single moms with that same lack of respect.

Hallie

Becci Hethcoat said...

Wow...reading your post was so comforting. So much of what you say is familiar to us (sadly enough). My first child was born with one kidney...a disease called multicystic dysplastic kidney disease. Then when my second child came along I was so excited that everything was perfect and normal. At 2 months we took him in for his vaccines and within 5 days he was hospitalized and paralyzed. He was finally diagnosed with transverse myelitis almost 2 years and 4 neurologists later. He will never walk. We have navigated the medical system and have learned many of the same things you mention. My favorite (not) Dr. is the one who patted my cheek and told me that my previous healthy, now unable to move baby would be "Just fine Mommy". Looking back I probably should have ripped his arm right off but I was too scared about my child. The most important lesson I have learned is that NO ONE knows you (or your child) better than you do. You must be your own best advocate in all situations which generally means learning as much as possible, speaking with as many people who share your situation as possible. Sometimes they know more than any Dr does. Thanks for sharing your insights. It is good to know that someone else is walking in my shoes.

Shannon said...

Great Post Dayna!

My favorite is the orthopedic surgeon and the pediatrician who discharged us from their service, who both told me to come back "when something was really wrong"

When it turns out my son has cerebral palsy and will probably never walk on his own.

Thanks Tips! Glad to have your consult!

But I have to say it was our physiotherapist and our family GP that persisted and referred us to new doctors and even a geneticist so that we could get some answers to the questions we kept asking.

I really kick myself for believeing them and thinkning for a moment that everything was going to be "normal". Even though my mommy instinct told me something was wrong.

I also believe the advocacy is something you must pass on to your child as soon as you can because it's always when you step out of the room that some doc comes in.

Great topic!

Becca said...

Great post!

I once had a dermatologist tell me my reaction (crying, anxious) to what I thought was scabies or lice was "abnormal" and she didn't want to know what was causing me to cry, but did I want some medication for anxiety? Turned out, my incredible itchiness was a stress reaction (I was in college) and I did need meds for it, but she actually said she didn't want to know WHY I was stressed but wanted to medicate it. Nice.

I love my current dr (he's actually a PA). He is never afraid to look something up in front of me if he doesn't know a side effect or isn't familiar with a doseage or a medication. I love that.

Steph said...

Dayna,

I don't remember ever having a bad expierence with a doctor, but I have a very clear memory of a bad nurse. I was in the hospital in September due to a really bad infection in my leg (staph & strep) in New Orleans while visting my grandparents. Now I'm a very hard start for an IV, they almost had to do a picc line) and I had a nurse who set the IV wrong and instead of checking the machine wanted to pull my IV. This nurse scared me - so doing what any intellegent person would do I had Mom talk to doctor. I'm 33, but when I'm sick I still want my Mom and she is a nurse and can talk all that medical talk. I couldn't do what your kids do.

Steph

girlymom said...

It's so nice to have a dr. that you like! It's hard seeing pictures of sick kiddos, it breaks my heart!
On a happy note:
I have something for ya! :)

Pam said...

As a mom, I can relate to pushing doctors out of their comfort zone more times than I will tell. Let's just say as moms, we really do know our children best and should pursue any issue to satisfaction. As a nurse, I hold to that philosophy, intervening for parents on many occasions, sometimes they don't speak for themselves.
I too have taught my children to speak up for themselves and it has gone into adulthood for one of then so far.
Thanks for a great read and lots of education.

Alice said...

Wow, this was a powerful post, Dayna. A real eye-opener about the crap you've had to endure.

I've been fairly lucky as far as doctors go, but I also have never had a major illness, so I consider myself blessed. However, I did watch my best friend deal with doctors as she battled terminal cancer. There were a few who were real a**holes, but her husband quickly learned that he was her best advocate. Before she was diagnosed there was one doctor who told her all her symptoms were "in her head" - which ironically enough they were - in the form of an inoperable blood clot. But throughout her battle with cancer, she also had some pretty amazing doctors. I'll never forget when the doctors determined they had to make the transition from actively fighting the cancer to simply offering pain management (because she wasn't going to make it). Two of the doctors came to her hospital room and sat with her and her husband. And they (the doctors)cried as they told Kelly there was nothing else they could do. The humanity they displayed that day stayed with Kelly the rest of her life. She was so touched that they weren't just "doctors" they were human. I think that's what we all want.

But I can tell you in watching her battle I know that no one cares about your health or your family's health more than you. Good for your for teaching your children that at an early age.

One Scrappy Chicklet said...

I would love to have a dr like that. It makes things so much better on the children.
Have a surprise for you on my blog.

:)
Tami

Ness said...

Dayna, your post was phenomenal and spot on. I said Amen out loud when I got done reading it.

Being a sickly one myself, I have had some incredibly HORRIBLE doctor/nurse/hospital experiences but the "best" was when my husband had triple bypass/heart valve replacement(I am an LPN so that makes me more aware and probably a worse patient/family member)and he returned from surgery to CCU. They got him set up and let me go in. Of course, I checked out the machines, his lines, etc. and under his PICC line on the sheet was fresh drainage. I took my pen out of my purse and marked the edges of the spot. I told the nurse about it when I left and she said it was from surgery(he was in surgery 10 hours and this spot was waay fresh). I went back in to visit 2 hours later and the spot extended to under his arm and shoulder and majorly surpassed the ink marks I had made on the sheet early. I could see the PICC line site was bleeding and went and got the nurse. She came in and said, "You need to remember your place. You are family. Leave the medical side up to those who are trained to do it." Hello? I found my mouth and went off including the potential for bleed out and skin breakdown from laying on a bloody sheet(he was on a vent and unable to fend for himself). I picked up the phone in his room and had the cardiothoracic surgeon STAT paged. He flew up there, I told him the deal and he fired the nurse on the spot, took care of the PICC line himself, stayed for an hour to observe him and brought in a private duty nurse(at no charge to us) to stay in the room with him until he was moved out of CCU 2 days later. He also allowed me to come and go at will to the room to check on my husband.

My biggest advice to anyone who has anyone in the hospital? NEVER LEAVE THEM ALONE. ALWAYS HAVE A COMPETENT FAMILY MEMBER/FAMILY FRIEND WITH THEM. I use the word COMPETENT because my son's father was in his hospital room and allowed him to be given orange juice and had I not walked in his hospital room before she stuck the bottle in his mouth, he would have gone into anaphylactic shock as he was allergic to it.

Again, great post, Dayna. I think every doctor, nurse and healthcare worked should be required to watch the William Hurt movie The Doctor and see what it's like to be on the patient end of a hospital situation.

Megan said...

As a nursing student then a RN working in the field of Maternal/Newborn I've seen some shocking behavior by doctors. Many opportunities for me to see that their are many "kinds" of Dr.s. Also as a mother of 4 I've been in the pediatrician's office more times than I can remember. A great perk to being a nurse is that the DR.'s & office staff all seem to know & so are very careful...because I have medical background & know what they should be doing. My "instincts" are given a little better respect. Plus, I know what questions to ask & know that I am "in charge" in the end for the care given my children. I'm appalled at how many mom's don't realize that they too are also "in charge". So many people trust completely what their Dr. suggests or orders and discount what their "instincts" are telling them. Good Dr.'s in my book are those who are exceptionally knowledgeable, personable & ready to admit they don't know it all. Hooray for Dr.'s that make a true difference & work with families as a team!

Scarlett Wanna Be said...

I just jumped up and did 4 high kicks for your girls. I was so hoping she would tell him to wash his hands. Is there an award for fabulous three year olds who hold there own? There should be! She should be in Glamor's Women Who Rock. I love love love that she told him "no" and then told him why. Great big pat on the back to you!!!!!!

I wish I knew what I needed in a doctor. Everyone I see is military so I guess I could say, I would like a doctor that can spend more than 15 minutes with me.

Kristen said...

You brought me out of lurking with this one.
Very well written and pretty much sums up my feelings. I have had several encounters with bad doctors. I think the all time worst was a resident who came in to give us our discharge instructions when Molly was 2 months old. She had been admitted due to flaring, retracting, choking episodes, reflux, etc. Just as he finished talking to us, Molly had an episode where she was gagging and choking, stopped breathing for a few seconds and he said something like, "She's fine. She's on an apnea monitor, we're not really sure what's going on, but she's fine." I burst into tears and he had the nerve to say, "May I ask why you are crying?" Um yeah, I was a mother to 2 month old twins and a two year old. My daughter was just admitted to the hospital and I knew no more than when we came in. I was majorly sleep deprived. Totally overwhelmed, you name it. Why the heck do you think I was crying?!

Your ped sounds awesome! I am so glad that your kids are getting such great care. It is amazing to me to read about all that your kids endure and yet you manage to give them such a normal childhood.

Take care!

Lana said...

Such a great post. This past year we have learned all to well that you have to question just about everything a doctor tells you. When our daughter got sick last Feb. someone told us to keep a journal and at first I was a little overwhelmed with her being in ICU, I didn't. Then we had to keep repeating her whole history over and over and over and my husband and I started taking turns being with her, keeping a journal was the best thing we ever did.

As far as good/bad doctors, we've had both. The worst, by far, was a neurologist that came in to our daughters room in ICU at 7am and woke my husband up from a dead sleep and told him that with her brain injury that it was unlikely that she would ever recover and turned and walked out. My husband was so mad and upset at how he did that they had the chaplin, and doctors, nurses and lots of other people there when I got there. We informed everyone that was there and new people that came in that that man was not allowed in her room every again. She has proved him wrong too. She has a lot of therapy to do but she is getting better slowly every day.

Again Great post. You are your only advocate.

Lana

Anonymous said...

Day

Did you ever let the first doctor know that he'd got it all completely wrong? I don't think I could have held myself back - firstly for a sense of "Don't patronise me, I was right" (which is not necessarily a good attitude but would make me feel a whole lot better) and secondly because maybe he'd be more careful and thorough when someone else went with a problem that wasn't obvious.

Our first ped, before we moved was great, he ALWAYS made time, even if he had to stay late to do it, and never hesitated with a referral if he thought it was necessary, never hesitated to tell you to come back if it got worse or if didn't go away and always made the time to do a thorough check of eyes, ears, throat, etc. even if you took the kids in for a sore finger.

The worse was a resident. When I had bleeding during my pregnancy with Savana I went to the ER. I think I was about 7/8 weeks. He took about 2 seconds to do an u/s and said well, if you're going to lose it, you'll lose it. Nothing we can do. While this may have been true, there are ways to say it. He had taken my medical history and knew that I had already had one m/c, before my son and should have known how worried I was. I went to another hospital who took the time to find the source of the bleeding and reassured me that, while there was nothing they could do if I started to miscarry, there were good chances of carrying to term. The doctor was kind, not embarassed by my tears and worries and took the time to address me by my name and called me a taxi personally to get me home.

I should have learnt my lesson, when I was pregnant with my 3rd child, I had dizzy spells so I went to the ER (it was Sunday). I was so dizzy I couldn't stand up for fear of falling over. The whole room was moving. It was like being incredibly drunk and seasick at the same time. I was vomiting, but not from morning sickness, from a kind of sea sickness. The ER doc told me he couldn't believe I went to the ER for nausea and dizzy spells - why didn't I wait to see a doctor in the week that followed. What an idiot - I was falling over - couldn't stand up, couldn't stop the room spinning. Turns out it was some sort of imbalance in my ears and an ENT put it right.

Anyway, thank you for this post - you are one of the main reasons I question doctors and don't hesitate to get a second opinion. Thank you for sharing your experiences, which are very personal, to help others.

Kez

justlori2day said...

We are still dealing with the bad doctor of this past November. I am having internal struggles with it as the bills are pouring in from the hospital stay (over 300K - our portion is about 10K) that was the result of the bad doc experience we had.

Jim wants to go after them. I cant. The Administrator (new) of the hospital is now on my Board. I have been dealing with it strategically. I dont feel comfortable saying anything bad for risk of never getting good service again. I have mentioned the situation to people who have clout, but wouldnt blow it out of proportion at the hospital (a perk and down fall of a small town).

But Jim still wants the bills we have to pay for in bad docs wake covered by someone other than our retirement plan. And that is a hard argument.

As for good docs. Jadons hematologist rocks. He really heard what Jadon was saying at our check up, and agreed with my little man, "I dont have red spots, and purple legs, so can I not have any more pokes?". Dr. B said absolutely he did not need any more pokes as long as mom and dad could "check him out" every day to make sure his colors were good.

After a nasty barking cold this past week with nothing more then a horrid dry patch on his face, he came through it unscathed. He is even mindful of what can cause bleeding. He makes sure we are aware that it is time for more balm "so my face doesnt crack mom".

lo

tiff said...

Wow!
I was so glad to find you today!
We went through the same chronic illness and subsequent diagnosis of immune deficiency with our eldest and now we are doing it all again with our youngest but with different doctors. Because all her tests are not coming back textbook alot of doctors have fobbed her off but our paed stands firm and, bless him, is still looking for answers. I bag him out and give him a hard time but he really is kind and he does listen to everything I say.

That was a great post. Everything I want from our doctors.

sagar said...

That is a great post.
I have copied from your post for my personal referance. You will find them on my blog at drsagarpreddy.blogspot.com

Debbie in NC said...

Dayna, this is such a wonderful post I wanted you to know I copied it and sent it to our hospital in Winston-Salem, NC with the message that this needs to be shared!

I only hope it will make a difference in some doctor's attitude!

God Bless You Dayna!

(((Hugs)))